If you access thepiratebay.org in Italy now – on those ISPs that we haven’t bypassed yet – you will reach this website:
It’s quite interesting. It says that this site is blocked by the police in Italy and so forth, but check who owns the IP. It’s in the UK, not in Italy. And check the reverse of that IP – www.pro-music.org. A site owned by Ifpi in the UK.
My question is – why is Ifpi getting that traffic and are they logging our users? It’s in the UK as well, not in Italy.
Please, can someone explain this. To summarize – the police gives out information about users to Ifpi. Without any legal reason to do so.
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So strange Peter!! Also Matteo Flora look this and write a post (in Italian): http://www.lastknight.com/2008/08/15/thepiratebay-utenti-intercettati/
I have Telecom Italia but use OpenDNS and i see The Pirate Bay: if you go on http://217.144.82.26/ there is another italian torrent that was block in last days (colombo-bt.org).
Yes, italian mobile provider “3″ resolves like described in you post. I confirm with my personal test (HTC TYTN II + WM6 + Explorer mobile + mobile connection 3).
but you must admit, brokep, that the italians have some pretty nifty graphic designers, with that very fine diploma stuff on the page (making it unreadable to blind people and those browsing without images).
I didn’t copy, I swear!
I was strolling the web on 3 H3G network, saw the IP and went curious…
It’s higly irregular, on the point of view of the italian law. Hijacking isn’t an option…
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[...] in mano della Pro-Music, la coalizione di organizzazioni e società del mondo del music business. Se lo chiede anche Brokep di Pirate [...]
A trap to track and log those who try to access TPB?
That sounds like a Media Defender-like trick.
Just my guess.
And I wonder why they don’t have Google Ads on that site.
A new way for the industry to make money.
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and the question may be: “who cares?” visiting a site, and a blank page with a gif is not a crime
Deeper, first time I saw TPB was AFTER reading about the block in many newspapers, so they collected my ip, and then?
I got Fastweb as provider and I confirm that pro-music.org is the final solved domain.
OpenDNS seems to be the better solution.
So sad to live in a fascist country. So sad.
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[...] (in arte brokep), uno dei fondatori di The Pirate Bay, rende noto che accedendo al sito tramite alcuni ISP italiani, si viene rediretti su http://217.144.82.26/pb/. [...]
@Tambu:
Sure not a crime but when you visit their site, they know that you tried to access TPB; therefore they can collect data on you and eventually harass you or whatever.
Sorry for the double post but i forgot something.
Well that’s the only explaination I can find. Maybe that page has some hidden scripts, or has some threats that we don’t know yet. Maybe a little more than simply collecting your IP; they could not have been even tracking IPs before.
The truth here is that the majors’ orgs are simply wet pussies, and they don’t even now about that
Kudos to brokep, the Italian sharers are the ones that suffer the fascism of stupidity here on the Mediterranean Sea….
have a look at this:
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=5auecRjoZGw
Should be used in Italy to have some sort of impact on public opinion.
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A trap to track and log those who try to access TPB?
That sounds like a Mafia Defender-like trick.
Just my guess.
I’ve been thinking of this all night and have a question: Are users redirected to the IP mentioned above? Or is it the DNS record for the domain thepiratebay.org pointing to the IP, so that users end on thepiratebay.org/pb/?
I’m asking because of all the comments in the TorrentFreak article on this about IFPI reading your TPB cookies, which is – as far as I know – only possible if users are not simply redirected to the IP address. Well, if it happens to be that bad, shouldn’t the IP be reported to Web Forgery services like Google’s? (Which would affect – at least – all Firefox users.) I’m sure there’s many more of such services.
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Im in italy and using Telecom Italia as ISP. Opening TPB with DNS ns.interbusiness.it reverse to 127.0.0.1.
Is Telecom blocking only private users and no businesses? Only privates are suitable for a lawsuit case?
Maybe i can explain:
In my country (Italy) private associations cooperate with law enforcement.
When occur police operations or seizures, , one or more members of private associations often are on the “crime scene” and give their contribution…
So, the members of these associations have therefore free access to all data in the investigation and seizures operation.
This time, i suppose they simply “hijacked” the standard response page whitout without informing the police, because as Matteo Flora told before, in my country this is not regular and police can never allow a thing like this.
or at least that’s what I hope…
Dear brokep,
as you probably already know, the redirection to a an Ifpi server allows Ifpi itself to steal (in case the user has got a not-expired cookie in its browser) all user’s data pertaining to The Pirate Bay (login, password, etc.) and consequently all user’s past activities in the Bay. I should check more carefully in Italian laws, but I guess that phishing and identity theft are a crime (“reato penale”) in Italy.
Thanks to Mr. Matteo Flora for the very good explanation.
@Tambu: as you can see it is not just a problem of IP logging, but it might easily be a way to discover italian releasers and other “sensible” information.
Brokep,
you already read about the redirect from some italians ISP.
Be aware that if pro-music realizes a web page suitable to do this, they could break in users accounts using browser saved cookies.
Please, modify ASAP the site to avoid this (you can lock the PHP session using the IP of first request, for example).
Bye
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Maybe they simply committed an error, without the decree you wouldn’t even know it
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Hi brokep,
this page (with your photo!) is linked in an article of Repubblica.it one of the most popular italian newspaper and the one with the highest web access.
http://www.repubblica.it/2007/09/sezioni/scienza_e_tecnologia/musica-digitale/ip-tracciati/ip-tracciati.html
Btw, Alcei (the italian organization of eff.org) wrote to the privacy guarantor (garante della privacy): http://www.alcei.it/index.php/archives/129
The links are in italian, sorry!
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[...] musica, giochi e film, anche illegali. Tutto ? nato da una scoperta fatta in contemporanea da Peter Sunde (uno dei gestori di Pirate Bay, il quale ? ora indagato dalla Guardia di Finanza di Bergamo) e dal [...]
[...] musica, giochi e film, anche illegali. Tutto è nato da una scoperta fatta in contemporanea da Peter Sunde (uno dei gestori di Pirate Bay, il quale è ora indagato dalla Guardia di Finanza di Bergamo) e dal [...]
Lo strano lavoro del PM di Bergamo…
Rompo il silenzio indirizzandovi verso l’interessante e preoccupante lettura di un post di Matteo Flora: probabilmente la maggior parte di voi conoscerà la vicenda del blocco degli IP di The Pirate Bay da parte del PM di Bergamo.
La cosa grave s…
I have found this old article about how MPAA hired a guy named Robert Anderson to do industrial spying on the “pirates”.
[...]
MPAA executive Dean Garfield sent a contract to Anderson, offering to pay him $15,000 in exchange for confidential information about both Torrentspy and Piratebay, their owners and software. With a wink and a nod, the written contract specified that both parties were to keep the contract strictly confidential, but that all information was to be collected “through legal means “.
[...]
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/22/cracker-mpaa-left-cold
[...] Fonte lastknightcom Fonte Copy me happy [...]
[...] che è venuto fuori come effetto collaterale è il fatto che l’autorità italiana faceva già phishing a danni di TPB e suoi utenti, proprio per la IFPI, fornendo i credenziali dei utenti italiani a pro-music, una organizzazione che si preoccupa di [...]
Well, the whole thing is now under the attention of the Italian Privacy Authority.
Andrea Monti, lawyer and founder of the ALCEI association, asked the Authority whether it is legal that
A) a public net resource is preemptively seized, impeding access to everyone (not only the ones directly involved in the procedure);
B) access filtering of said resource is performed by redirecting users to another net resource outside the Italian jurisdiction, handled by private subjects who have specific economical interests in the legal proceedings, allowing these subjects to get traffic information which might then get used in the most different ways.
The Authority states it is analysing the situation.
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“but you must admit, brokep, that the italians have some pretty nifty graphic designers, with that very fine diploma stuff on the page (making it unreadable to blind people and those browsing without images).”
this “diploma” is an police warning that tell you the site was closed.
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The Pirate Bay is not illegal. The site ” The Pirate Bay” it has not contained in its serveur, only the link, exactly like all how many on ours desktop and, from a link, it cannot know if the content is protect from rights d’ author only from the name… He would appeal to me that Brokep and the TPB team answered:
“you demonstrate to us practically that a link it is equivalent to possess the content, than to unload is equivalent to embezzle a content, than the P2P it produces therefore of the economic damages to the majors.”
I want to see as they can demonstrate physically and visually that to steal (to materially embezzle a good) or a term attributable to the action of download or from the simple putting disposition of a link, therefore that I embezzle a software, a film, a musical disc from a serveur when the drainage to the same way of as it could make a person in a supermarket (or store).
If they succeed to try this then they can say that TPB is illegal as every site torrent. Not words but made real and prati to us.
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